American Flag Bannings

I'm really pissed off after watching the news last night. There are two schools in the US that have now banned wearing anything similar to the American flag. Supposedly they have done the same with the Mexican flag, but that's not the point. This is the down here! I don't really care if they think that students are going to put themselves in danger by showing the red, white, and blue. If they want to wear patriotic colors, then let them.

This country is pissing me off more and more. Christmas can't even be held without some lame ass idiots proclaiming that it infringes their rights to be around something that they don't believe in. Whatever.

Now is being attacked... from within the USA! This is a bunch of bullshit, and I can't believe that it's even possible the flag can be banned somewhere! It's not right! I can see this as being another thing that spreads like wildfire across the US. If something like this spreads to Illinois, I WILL be out there protesting.

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that's probably the most bullshit thing i've ever heard of in my life! and if the flag gets banned in my school, you better believe i'll be there the next day with a big ass flag shirt on! whoever passed that little rule needs a bullet in the head, right between the eyes

It's just like the whole "banning the pledge of alligence" fiasco. What is wrong with proclaiming your alligence to a country you are a citizen of and love (or you'd live elsewhere)? If you don't want to use the word "God", then don't say it. Nobody's twisting your arm.

I heard on the news the other day they have "banned" the Easter bunny in Saint Paul. I've never read the Bible but I can say with assurance that there is NO mention of the Easter Bunny...

You're not the only one who's pissed off about stuff like this. These tards should spend thier time more productivly and so something that helps the people of this country.

What's wrong with flag...? I mean, damn I can imagine with an Iranian flag, there'd be a problem, but... Hey, wait! Schools have rules regarding political expression... they can't really do that.

Upon reading it, I understand and agree with the school's initiative to temporarily ban patriotic symbols in a highly conflicting and tense battle over the Immigration rights. The ban was made not as a restriction to rights but "to quell racial tension stemming from protests," in this case regarding a reform of Immigration within Congress. Please guys, try to search for the news articles and such before placing defined statements with an assumed predisposed motive.

As for the banning of the pledge of allegiance...being an athiest, I find it wrong to have "under God" forcibly included to the Pledge. If pledging to the flag is meant to be a unifying factor, then it denies any who don't believe in God (or a god for that matter, but the singular use and capitalization strongly refer to a Christian god) their rights of equality.

"The inclusion of God in our pledge therefore would further acknowledge the dependence of our people and our Government upon the moral directions of the Creator. At the same time it would serve to deny the atheistic and materialistic concepts of communism" (H.R. 1693, 83rd Cong., 2nd Sess. (1954) )

Obviously, the purpose of the inclusion of "under God" in 1954 was in order to find a general unifying factor to a country paranoid of communism and ruled by McCarthyism. Now, we find ourselves rid of the Communist superPOWer, and now threatened by terrorists who call us infidel regardless of our religious background. To state quite simply: The words have served their intended purpose and are no longer required to be mandated.

The words are "liberty and justice for all." The Pledge should be a unifying experience for every citizen, and not require specifics that favor a group, although a majority group, over its other citizens. And I do feel left out.

I know and fully understand the reasons they have done this... I still don't agree with it one bit. If people are using the flag(s) as a racial thing, then EVERY student doing so should have been dealt with i.e. suspended. Taking away the right to have any kind of patriotic symbol on your being is absurd. Taking something like that away could only be the beginning of a spew of crap to come... even if it's at "just" high schools. Hell, it happened in more than one school. If individuals can't be dealt with for their own wrong doings, then obviously the administration of these places are absolute failures. I don't like hearing crap like this because it only leads to worse things happening... I'm not a person who wants to eventually lose his rights, so I call it as it is... shit.

Really it's not as bad as requiring a school uniform, which is common practice now...

In that case you're not only forbidden to wear a symbol, but ANY and ALL symbols outside of a predefined outfit (that you're required to purchase at a painfully inflated rate...)

I'm not a person who wants to eventually lose his rights, so I call it as it is... sh*t.

Now im not big on politics, but I completely understand where Roth is comming from. When they do something like this , its just sets off a hole chain of other crap that happens down the road. Whats next? A citizen of the USA cannot get his ID WHEN HE HAS HIS/HER ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, but a person that comes HERE CAN GET ONE WITH EASE? Oh wait...thats already happened WITH ME!. I think that we just get our rights stripped away slowly but surley. Im not going to be surprised when the police can search homes without a search warrant and they are able to do it legaly when they want. Like I said in numerous post, as things go on..people get bored and look for more bs ways to screw more and more people over. Just my two cents.

Aha! Touche', my good man! However, could someone not take the view that the air of rights-deprivation created by the patriot act snowballed this issue, which will further snowball into more rights revoked?

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Lame, I know, but I'm just doing my part to provoke a good debate.

Unneccesary. The patriot act line was a strong finish.

Personally, I didn't mind the Patriot Act by itself, what I minded was (largely) the inconvenience it caused businesswise, the mindset from which it sprung, and the direction it pointed.

I hope this will turn into one of those laws like: you cannot ride on a giraffe in the rain in Minnesota. You know, those dumb laws they use as trivia now. I know this is not a law but you get the idea.

To see how stupid this issue really is just think simple....

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This whole issue is absolutely .

And that is EXACTLY the kind of attitude that allows this idiocy to continue.

While the Patriot Act has alot that many don't agree with, I really didn't mind that. Everything that was in there was pretty much to find criminals... I do absolutely nothing wrong, so there was nothing for me to be worried about. What do you do wrong?

Yes, maybe it seems like a bit much for me to get pissed about. But now everything is going wrong in this country... and I mean everything. You have to think, the American flag is the of this country. That's ALOT to take away from anyone who lives in this country (legally mind you).

And that's the reason why I almost didn't post this topic, because people like to go throwing the wrong smileys around in a topic that's somewhat sensitive. Good job.

You embellished the effect of this action and you sensationalized the story. You disregarded key facts, and when they were pointed out, you chose to ignore them and maintain your position. As I asked you before, how do you see this affecting your freedom?

While I don't necessarily think this particular school's policy is the best way of handling racial/ethnic based conflicts, atleast they're making efforts to curb what is obviously a recurrent problem. I'm sure anything that's already happened has been handled accordingly.

When I think of EVERYTHING going wrong, I tend to think of things that are REALLY important, like my civil liberties and those of others. Do you really believe that an object is more important than the ideologies of the group it stands for?

And despite what you may believe, the Patriot Act infringes upon the rights of ALL Americans. Why does the government need to know what I'm reading?

Aren't you into using some sort of video game emulation? I'm sure you've downloaded plenty of other stuff illegally. You can thank the Patriot Act for opening you up to being investigated without a warrant. Don't take my word for it, read it yourself. Section 217.

In closing, I do realize that this school issue is also one dealing in civil liberties, but I find legislation to be alot more impactful and upsetting. I find it mindblowing that you're concerned about the effects of a truly insignifigant action, while there's far more invasive actions occuring everyday.

I didn't disregard anything. What are you talking about? As far as it affecting my freedom, maybe it won't. I just don't like the fact that there are people who don't have the option to have the colors of this nation on their person... it makes no sense to me, even if it's something that was used for racism. As I said, per individual/group basis is how it should've been dealt with, not as a whole.

True, it's good that they're trying to do something, but at least you agree it's NOT the best way.

No, but the flag is very important to me. I don't know about you, but I DID serve in the United States Marine Corps. It's kind of hard to just dismiss the "object" in question.

Yes, you're right, it does infringe (I'm not backpeddling to what I said earlier about it). It effects nothing that I do in my normal day-to-day life however. If I was one of those students though, I would have to make sure that I'm not wearing certain colors that are supposed to stand for something good in the first place.

Not so worried about that.

While I realize that I have flawed logic here, I really don't care. I'm just pissed about this.

There are parts of the patriot act that bothered me. I don't like that they had access to library acounts. You can't judge a person on what they read. (though I could have sworn that part wasn't re-added when they renewed it this year)

I used to own the Anarchists Cookbook, doesn't mean I was going to make a bomb or anything. But with their backward reasoning it would probably make me a terrorist.

I was kind torn as to what thread to put this subject in ("Pathedic" also seemed like a good choice).

So what are people's thoughts on the mexicans redoing our Star Spangled Banner song?

I don't really care. It's just a different language. What annoys me is the "altered" translation and crappy "love the " background rapping.

Much like the Mexican immigrants waving the Mexican flag at rallies, it's in bad taste, sure, but it's being taken way out of proportion.